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Thanks for coming and sharing your wisdom and knowledge and just your story in general.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Sterling Douglass (00:30.263)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Thanks for having me on Shane. I'm looking forward to sharing some stories and talking about some marketing tactics that some restaurateurs can take home with them.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Shane Murphy (00:37.422)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Awesome, I love that. Maybe before we dive into the tactics, can you share a little bit more about your background and the story that brought you into the industry here?\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Sterling Douglass (00:46.679)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Yeah, I think like a lot of people, I kind of stumbled my way in to the restaurant space. 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Sure.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Shane Murphy (02:55.342)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"seen and helped others to implement through the years.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Sterling Douglass (02:59.707)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Yeah, so I'll be honest, I'm a little newer to the digital marketing side of the restaurant business. We acquired a company last year called Targetable, which was basically a done for you digital marketing tool for SMB restaurants. And one of the reasons that we really wanted to do that is because when we were talking to restaurants, right, we were doing, we were integrating their third party orders, we were doing their first party orders. But at the end of the day, the value of your ordering is how many orders you're actually bringing.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"And especially in the SMB restaurant side, they can't afford these, you know, these marketing teams. Right. And so when we acquired Targetable, it was to solve that exact problem and start to leverage the different tactics and things that they were doing to help their restaurants. And it's been really interesting, Shane, as I've been getting educated on the space from the folks over at Targetable. And so when you ask about like basic tactics, I try to zoom out and try to think what the restaurant is trying to accomplish first.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"because there's a lot of different things you can do in the digital marketing side of things. And some things are more geared towards, you know, generating demand in the first place, like actually creating more demand for your restaurant. And some things are actually more for creating more repeat orders and trying to get them. A common one I think about is email marketing. Email marketing is not going to find you new customers. Email marketing is going to generate more orders from your existing customer base. 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And I'm sure toast was able to go and reuse that to...\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Shawn Walchef (27:38.465)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Yeah.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Shawn Walchef (27:42.785)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Hahaha!\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Shawn Walchef (27:50.689)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Thanks.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Shawn Walchef (27:58.081)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Yep.\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"Shane Murphy (28:02.766)\"}),/*#__PURE__*/e(\"p\",{children:\"get your story out to others as well in their sales content and their reps probably fell in love with you because you were showcasing them. And sometimes you can take those vendors and use that to showcase to your customers who were forward thinking or trying new things. We want to hear your feedback on how the experience has improved. Talk to us, share with us what you think. 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